The Heralds' Page Newsletter of the College of Heralds of An Tir Volume 1, Number 2 ~ 29 July 2002

• Black Lion
  
• Black Stag
• Vox Leonis
• Lowenmahne
• Minutes of the July Black Lion Meeting
  
• Roll of Arms
• Pursuivant Titles
• Heraldic Mobsters #16
• Argent Snail's Insta-Boing Checklist
  
• The An Tir Internal Letter of Intent
• Download This Issue of the Heralds' Page (Microsoft Word document)
  
• Return to the IL Archive Page

From Natasha Vox Leonis.

From Uilliam Löwenmähne:

The An Tir Roll of Arms

by Lord Frederic Badger

If you haven't yet visited the An Tir Roll of Arms, you should make the time to do so.  It loads with a lovely image of the kingdom populace badge, links to information about the page as well as other useful heraldic links and other online Armorials, shows the index, search and browse links to the left, and loads in the non frames version.   Features include a search function, a way to page through the Roll and choose how many emblazons you want on each page, a random entry (click it and there's no telling who you'll get to see next), and the alphabetical index you can select any letter from. It even sorts with the most recently added entries first.  Specialty sections are a Roll of past Crowns, a Roll of Coronets from our principality days, a Roll of past Black Lions, Rolls sorted into all three of the Peerages, and a Roll of branch arms.  On July 26th at 4am there were 1237 devices entered into the online An Tir Roll of Arms.
This marvel is available online at http://www.badger.cx/heraldry/roll/ and is definitely worth your while.

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Pursuivant Titles

Many of the Baronies of An Tir, as is their due, have titles registered for their pursuivants.  Whenever possible, Lions Blood makes it a point to refer to these people by their titles.  Here then is a list of the registered titles of the Baronial Pursuivants of An Tir:


 

Adiantum - Golden Bear	Blatha an Oir - Bealidh	Dragon's Laire - Golden Dragon
Glymm Mere - Be Wayre	Lions Gate - Sable Loat	Madrone - Red Tree
Terra Pomaria - Hazel Leaf	Madrone - Red Tree	Montengarde - Sable Minotaur
Wastekeep - Basilisk	Wealdsmere - Three Oaks

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HERALDIC MOBSTERS -- CASE FILE #16

MANFREDO "MANNY" MANETTI Tincture: Always heraldic, no legal proper Type: Griffon, aka Gryphon Number: one Posture:  Segreant, sometimes rampant Orientation: default Compatibility: period charge from c.1238 Defining characteristics: wings, addorsed Remarks: Conceals nature of forelimbs (standard avian or Assyrian leonine) with the affectation of anthropomorphic clothing.  Known to routinely maintain a tommy-gun and is considered winged and armed.  Do not approach without current RfS at hand.

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Pop Quiz:
In last month's hardcopy of The Heralds' Page a device was placed next to the article written by Thegn Uilliam mac Aillén vhic Séamus.  It was not his arms.  Extra credit to the person who figures out whose arms were mistakenly placed on that article.
Hint: Even in that venue it was printed in its correct heraldic tinctures.

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Argent Snail's Armory Insta-Boing Check List

This checklist originally appeared as part of a paper in the Proceedings of the Known World Heraldic Symposium held in Tree-Girt-Sea and Rokkehealden, Middle Kingdom, June A.S. XXVIII (1993). Transcribed for the Web by Evan da Collaureo (mka Dave Montuori) 1997. Copyright 1993 by Judith Gerjuoy.

I. Does the submitter have an SCA name?
You cannot register a piece of armory without a name. The name can be registered or submitted before the armory is submitted, or it can be submitted when the armory is submitted; but there must be a SCA name to attach the armory to.

II. Is the submission dark on dark, or light on light?
This is commonly known as the color on color, metal on metal rule. You cannot put color on color, or metal on metal. For instance, you cannot have a sable (black) charge on an azure (blue) field. However, even items that are not in true heraldic tinctures must follow this rule. For instance a chipmunk "proper" is brown. Brown is dark. Therefore, it must be on a metal (light) field. Caucasians proper are considered metal, and must be on a dark field.

III. Is the submission slot machine?
Armory is "slot machine" when there are three or more different charges in the same charge group. For instance "Or, a bell book and candle sable." is slot machine. "Argent, on a bend between a bell and a book azure, a candle Or." is not, because the candle is on the bend, thus not in the same charge group as the others.

IV. Is it marshalled armory?
Marshalling is a way of showing familial relationships. It was done in the middle ages, but we don't register it in the SCA. Therefore, the following arrangements are not allowed. First: you cannot have a field divided per pale with different charges in each half of the field, if there is a plain line of division. If the per pale line is bumpity, then it is allowed. The same rule holds true for quarterly: Unless the same charge is in each quarter, there needs to be a bumpity line of division. The only exception is in the case of quarterly where quarters that are only a solid metal or color are also acceptable. For instance, "Quarterly sable and argent, in bend two eagles displayed Or.", would not be considered marshalled arms.

V. Does it use a forbidden charge or group of charges?
There are a number of charges that no one can use. They are either presumptuous (claiming a mundane rank), or offensive. Examples of presumptuous charges include: Tudor rose, crowned shamrock, crowned rose. Examples of offensive charges include: the hand of glory, swastika, triskelion gammadion. Note: this list is not all-inclusive.

VI. Does it use a restricted charge that the submitter is not entitled to use?
There are a number of charges that only some people in the SCA can use. To have a crown or coronet on your device you must have been a king, queen, prince or princess. Only official SCA groups can have laurel wreaths on their devices (and they must have them). Only members of the order of Knighthood can use white belts or closed loops of chain; only members of the order of the Pelican can use a pelican in its piety in their armory. Note: this list is not all-inclusive.

VII. Is the submission too complex?
Our rule of thumb is that if the number of different types of charges plus the number of different tinctures used add up to more than eight, the submission is too complex. For instance, "Per bend sinister ermine and gules, a tiger rampant azure and a horse passant erminois, a bordure purpure semy of roundels argent ermined vert.", would be too complex with four different charges (tiger, horse, bend and roundels) and 6 tinctures (argent, sable (the tinctures in the ermine), azure, Or, purpure and vert).

VIII. Are the bumpity lines drawn big and bold and butch?
Medieval lines of division were drawn big and bold. Slim and elegant is not period for heraldry. In medieval heraldry charges were drawn to fill the space. Remember, the purpose of heraldry is identification from a distance.

IX. Are the charges drawn in their medieval form?
We register medieval, not modern, heraldry. We use a quill pen, not a fountain pen; a cart, not an automobile. All charges used must be items used in that form prior to the year 1600.

The August Lions Blood meeting will be held on Sunday, August 11th, at the home of HL Eglentyne Merryweather, AEstel Herald, in River's Bend.  406 Quail Lane, Longview WA, 98632  
Directions:  From I-5 take exit 36 Longview/SR 432 and head west to the exit for Truck Route/Hwy 432.  Take that exit and head south then west along 432 (watch the signs and stay on 432) until the junction with Hwy 4.  Turn right onto Hwy 4 and it's 1/2 mile down on the right hand side, in Heritage Mobile Home Park.  There should be signs.

The September Lions Blood meeting will be held on Sunday, September 15th, location TBA.

FROM LIONS BLOOD HERALD

Greetings from Teceangl Lions Blood!
There is a new Internal Letter deputy!  Lord Aedan and I have selected Marya Stepanova Kargashina to take over.  Aedan is still processing emblazons for the IL, but this letter debuts Marya as the text developer.  As in all submissions correspondence, however, I am the responsible party for any misspellings, typos, and other content matters.  Aedan will be commenting on the IL, and I am very pleased to have him in that capacity.

It has been pointed out to Lions Blood that in period rolls of arms, the names generally came above the emblazons.  Therefore, that is the format the hardcopy IL emblazons will now take.  The web version will maintain the current format of including the emblazons in the entries for ease of viewing.
 
Commenting:  Remember that Lions Blood accepts commentary from anyone who wishes to comment.  This includes people who wish to comment one time on one item, people who wish to comment only on specialized stuff (Russian names, Islamic heraldry, weasels as charges, whatever), and people from outside of An Tir looking to get commenting experience.  
Letters of Comment should include the names and heraldic titles (if any) of all commenters, the date of the IL upon which comments are made, and the items commented upon in the order they appear on the IL using line numbers and names to sort them out.  Commentary is read at the Lions Blood meetings but is not published in any form, and may be kept anonymous if requested.  Questions asked in letters of commentary will be addressed in the IL which holds the results for the meeting at which the IL was ruled.  
Emailed letters of comment are happily accepted in text, Word (and version) and WordPerfect formats.  Hardcopy should be mailed in time to arrive by the listed deadline.  Preferred format is anything which can be read by human eyes, but I do like formatted text in case I need to cut & paste blazons and URLs.

Some cover letter information from the March 2002 LoAR:
From Pelican: Regarding the Name Kathleen

Two submissions this month raised discussion regarding whether or not Kathleen is a period name.

Kathleen is an Anglicized Irish form of the Gaelic name Caitilín, which itself derives from the Old French Cateline. Forms of Caitilín have been found in Gaelic dating to the early 15th C and later. This leaves a limited amount of time for Caitilín to become firmly established enough to generate the Anglicized form Kathleen. At this time, no documentation has been found that Kathleen was used in period.

Kathleen has been registered 45 times in the last two decades with at least one registration in every year except two. This demonstrates consistent popularity of the name. Regarding recent popularity of the name, there are two submissions this month that include Kathleen as a given name. Additionally, it was registered once in 2001, once in 1999, and four times in 1998.  Given this level of popularity, it is reasonable to consider Kathleen SCA compatible.

Some cover letter information from the April 2002 LoAR:
From Laurel: Glossary of Terms Update

The Rules for Submission and the Administrative Handbook have recently been revised. It is now time for a review of the Glossary of Terms. If you have suggestions for new terms, updated definitions, or terms to remove, now is the time to speak up. Palimpsest will be coordinating the collection of suggestions. Please include your glossary update suggestions in a Letter of Comment by October 1, 2002. A draft will be created and presented to the College for commentary by the end of the year.

[Lions Blood footnote - any commentary you may wish to be presented to Laurel regarding the Glossary may be sent to Lions Blood, who will see it onto a Letter of Comment for you.  Please include your full SCA and any heraldic title.]

Pelican also includes an updated table and discussion on which Gaelic and Anglicised particles should conflict. A must-read for anyone who works with name documentation.

Wreath re-iterated the importance of the miniature emblazon matching the blazon.  It is still Lions Blood policy to require photo-reduction or an exact-dimension computer reduction of line drawing emblazons on all armory submission forms. The College of Arms sees only the miniature emblazon, so faithful reproduction can save you a lot of hassles.

And a reminder of a recurring problem first addressed by Wreath in the LoAR of October 2001:
Please advise the submitter to be careful on future submissions to avoid outlines so thick that they appear to be fimbriation. My staff advises me that, in many cases, the problem with thick outlines that appear to be fimbriation is due to use of the computer program "Blazons". As a general rule, heraldic art from that program is flawed, and we encourage the College to educate their submitters not to use this program to generate the artwork used on their forms.

From Lord Anthony Hawke, Web encoder:

An Tir results from the LoAR dated April 2002 (see the LoAR for full text):
(typos might exist - only the LoAR itself is definitive; other than name, action and blazon, listings are paraphrased or abridged)

REGISTERED:

An Tir results from the LoAR dated May 2002 (see the LoAR for full text):
(typos might exist - only the LoAR itself is definitive; other than name, action and blazon, listings are paraphrased or abridged)

REGISTERED:

RESULTS OF THE JUNE LIONS BLOOD MEETING:
The following people were present at the June Lions Blood meeting or sent commentary:  Ciaran Goutte de Sang, Sebastian Sterne, Francesca Dragon's Mist, Marya Stepanova Kargashina & Aaron, Natasha Vox Leonis, Trudchen Summits, Thalia, Arontius of Bygelswade, Aleksei Zateev, Meadhbha inghean Bhrain an Muilleóir, Ercc McFitheal, David Electrum, Ciar inghean ui Fhothaidh, Iago Seagirt, Cecille de Beumund, Briana nic h'Eusaidh, Guilelmo Francesco, Christopher Red Tree, Frederic Queue Forchee, Dieterich von Zweibrücken, Drogo the Forgetful, Antoinette, Dave, Moreach nicmhaolain, Li Ban Northern Principality Herald, Tadgg h-úa Faelan of Clan MacNessa, Meradudd Redewolf, Emma Bealidh, John Kane of Kent, Pendar Rampart, Teceangl Lions Blood, and a very personable ferret.

The following names and armory have been sent to Laurel (May LoI) --

NEW SUBMISSIONS:  

1. Brighid ingen Mac Tire Ruadh	(Cold Keep)	Name and Device, New
Argent, a wolf contourny passant reguardant gules and a chief enarched sable
The submitter will only accept minor changes to the name.  If the name must be changed, she cares more about the meaning of the name. The submitter states the meaning to be "Brighid, daughter of Red Wolf".  The submitter desires a female name authentic for 11th to 12th century Irish, and she will allow the creation of a holding name. Brighid is cited from Ó Corráin & Maguire's Irish Names (1981), pg. 36, header Brigit: Brighid, Bríd ingen  is cited from  Sharon L Krossa's "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" in the section "Simple Patronymic Bynames",  found online at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames /quickgaelicnames/index.shtml . A photocopy of the site is included. Mac Tíre is cited from Ó Corráin & Maguire (1981) pg. 4 which says, "In Ireland the wolf was a tabu animal and terms other than his name were used to describe him... and mac tíre 'son of the land'. " It is also found in Woulfe pg. 617 as Ó Mactíre or Ó MacTíre (capitalization is difficult to parse given the Gaelic type font.) Ruadh is cited  from Ó Corráin & Maguire (1981) pg. 3, which gives ruad as 'red-haired'. The construction Mac Tire Ruadh is supported by Wolfe, pg. 3: names formed by the union of a noun and a qualifying adjective, as Ciar-mhac,'black son; donn-cheann, ' brown head'; dubh-chu, 'black hound'....  the adjective may follow the noun, as bairr-fhionn, 'fair head'; bran-dubh, 'black raven'; giolla-dubh, 'black lad'.

2.  Darbie of Ironmaid for Symmonne      Deccarrete de Villete	(Wealdsmere)	Alternate Name and Badge, New
Argent, a dragon gules and another sable combattant, tails nowed in a Bouchier knot in base, in chief, a goutte per pale wavey gules & sable .
The submitter will not accept changes to the name. The submitter desires a 13th-16th century French female name.  She will allow the creation of a holding name. Her primary name was registered in November of 1992. Symmonne is documented from An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris, http://www.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html , which shows the spellings Symon and Simon (male), and Symonne, Simmonete, Simmonete, Symonet, and Symonnet (female). Additional evidence of the duplicating of consonants is shown in the same document with the pairs Jehannete and Jehannette,  Juliane and Julienne, and with Perronele, Perronnele, and Perronnele.  Given the documented variants of doubled consonants and the i to y switch, the submitter considers Symmonne to be a plausible alternate spelling. Deccarete is cited from Names Found in Commercial Documents from Bordeaux, 1470-1520 http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/bordeaux.html showing  "Jehan Daccarete, also listed as Decarrete". Submitter wishes to combine the two spelling variations into Deccarrete. de Villete is found in French Names from Two Thirteenth Century Chronicles online at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/crusades/crusadesLieux.html where this spelling is recorded. Photocopies of all websites are included.

3.  Duncan Darroch	(Ramsgaard)	Device, Resubmission to Kingdom
Per chevron ploye argent and vert three compass stars counterchanged.
The submitter's name appears on the April 2002 An Tir LoI. His previous device, Vert, on a chevron throughout argent five compass stars vert and in base a plate, was returned for conflict with Johanna Ljublijana: Sable, on a chevron throughout argent three mullets of four points, in base a plate.  One CD existed for changing the tincture of the field, but mullets of four points and compass stars differ only by the lesser points, therefore by Laurel precedent are considered the same basic charge, so no difference exists by X.4.i. or X.4.j. when number is the only change. This is a total redesign.

4.  Einar Leifsson	(Blatha an Oir)	Name and Device, New
Gules a bend bretessed between a hunting horn and an axe Argent.
The submitter will accept any changes to the name.  If the name must be changed, the submitter cares more about the language/culture of the name.  The submitter desires a masculine name, but specifies no time period, language, and/or culture for which he wishes the name to be authentic, though Old Norse can be inferred from the documentation. Einarr is cited from Geirr Bassi, The Old Norse Name, pg. 9. Leifr is cited from Geirr Bassi pg. 13. The submitter states that the formation of the patronymic is consistent with Geirr Bassi, pg. 6.

5.  Elianor Talbot of Wynchestre	(Dragon's Laire)	Device, New
Vert, two talbot's heads erased argent and on a base chevron embattled an open book vert.
The submitter's name was registered in August of 1996 and corrected in September of 1996. Web Editor's Note:  The chevron should be tinctured argent.

6.  Elianor Talbot of Wynchestre	(Dragon's Laire)	Badge, New
A closed book Vert.
The submitter's name was registered in August of 1996 and corrected in September of 1996.  This badge is intended to be fieldless.

7.  Elianor Talbot of Wynchestre	(Dragon's Laire)	Badge, New
A talbot's head erased argent.
The submitter's name was registered in August of 1996 and corrected in September of 1996.   This badge is intended to be fieldless.

8.  Gordon Redthorn	(Wyewood)	Badge, New
Fieldless a Maunche Sable.
The submitter's name was registered in November of 1993.

9.  Nikolai Toranovich	(Seagirt)	Name and Device, New
Sable, a saltire embattled argent.
The submitter will only accept minor changes to the name.  If the name must be changed, he cares more about the meaning of the name, which he wishes to be "Nikolai son of Toran".  The submitter desires a masculine name, and will allow the creation of a holding name. Nikolai is cited from Wickenden's Dictionary of Period Russian Names, 2nd ed. found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/.html  "s.n. Nikolai (m) - Nikolai, metropolitan.1291 [RIB II 1]" Toran is also cited from Wickenden, 2nd ed  "s.n. Taran (m) - Vars. Toran (Toran Germanovich). 1543. [Tup 387]" The construction of the patronymic is also supported by Wickenden in his section on patronymic formation at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/zgrammar.html which says that if the father's name ended in other than "-a" or "-ia", the basic patronymic ended in "-ov" or "-ev".  Further along it gives another patronymic construction for the "-vich" version.  He says, "Simply add an "-ich"to the basic patronymic construction (case #1) in most cases, with the exception of given names that end in "-av"..."  Given as an example is, "Antonov becomes Antonovich". While some copies are included this is an appendix H work.

10.  Roland Ducat	(Madrone)	Name and Device, New
Azure, in pale a griffon statant contorny and a crescent Or.
The submitter desires a male name authentic to French Normandy, accepts any changes, and cares most about the sound. Roland is cited from Dauzat's Nom de Famille, pg. 525. Ducat is also cited from Dauzat, pg. 215.

11.  Rose Scarlett Slade	(Shittimwoode)	Device, Resubmission to Laurel
Argent, a merbunny bear trident sable, in chief three heraldic roses.
The submitter's name was registered in 1992. Her previous device, Per pall argent, gules, and sable, in chief a rose proper in sinister a sword inverted proper , was returned from Laurel in July 1998 for ambiguity of the field division and lack of period style due to unbalanced design. This is a total redesign. The submitter includes a 16th century example of the sea-coney as an heraldic charge from Wappenbuch der Stadt Basel with the armory being for Graf: Gules, a brown sea-coney proper tailed argent.   (Blazon supplied by Lions Blood - no ordinary entry came with the documentation.) The sea-coney and trident are sable, the roses are gules barbed vert and seeded Or.

12. Roxanne Delaroche	(Myrgan Wood)	Name and Device, New
Sable, a leopard's head jessant-de-lis or.
The submitter will not accept major changes and wants a feminine name authentic for 16th - 17th c. French with equal emphasis on the importance of language and time period.  Two webpages are used to document Roxanne.  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04751b.htm , an entry of the Catholic Encyclopedia, states that Jean Desmarets de Saint-Sorlin, a French dramatist and novelist was born in Paris in 1595 and died there in 1676.  Listed among the plays that he wrote is "Roxane".  He also began, but never finished, a novel also named "Roxane".  Also given is the translation of the webpage on Italian artists of the Renaissance found at http://perso.club-internet.fr/fatthalin/louvre/histoire_art/renaissance/renaissance7.html which says in French, " Attiré à Rome par Peruzzi, Sodoma travaille auprès de lui à la villa Farnésine (1511-1512): il y peint dans la chambre à coucher la célèbre fresque représentant les Noces d’Alexandre et de Roxane , où l’ascendant de Raphaël est sensible; mais le cadre architectural est lourd, encombré par le vol des putti."  The translation is very rough, but the pertinent details are that the artistSodoma Giovanni Antonio Bazzi painted a fresco representing the Weddings of Alexandre and Roxane in the bedroom of the villa Farnésine in Rome in the years 1511-1512. The submitter states, "The name Delaroche has been documented and passed for my Lord, Raoul Achille Delaroche. As we function as a married couple in the SCA, and are married mundanely, it makes sense for me to take his name."  No other documentation is included.  Raoul Delaroche was registered without comment on the name on the LoAR of July 1992. On the device the field is black, the fleur-de-lys is Or, but the feline's head is brown.

Written by: Lord Aedan Mac Suibne c/o Michael McSwiney                and Marya Stepanova Kargashima

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